Ben Gooding interviews Anna Mossman, May 2023

We're pleased to share that Ben Gooding from Saturation Point, 'a curatorial and editorial project for systems, non-objective and reductive artists working in the UK', recently interviewed Anna Mossman ahead of 'Lines of Empathy', the current exhibition at CLOSE in which Mossman's work features, alongside 16 of her contemporaries.

Start reading an excerpt below - you can read the full interview with a selection of Mossman's stunning works by heading to the Saturation Point website HERE

BG

Anna, I first encountered your work some years ago. At the time you were making extraordinary line drawings that were exposed photographically to make a negative image of the original drawing. I think these works pose a number of interesting questions. Let's begin by talking about the dynamic between the drawing and the negative. 

If the photographic negative constitutes the ‘final’ work, does that render the original drawing redundant, in the same way that a mould is discarded once a cast is set?

 

AM

The term ’drawing’ suggests an element of contingency, drawing often being used as a preparation for something else, a way of forming thoughts, planning, communicating an idea. If, as in the case of these works, a drawing is produced solely to be photographed, it may be seen simply as an aid to another, finished form, or alternatively the opposite, as an ‘original’ purporting to be the main event, which is then put aside, displaced by an image that becomes the final form of the work.

 

Historically, in analogue photography, the negative is a means to an end, that end being a positive print. The negative itself can be seen as a representation or recording of a past event, while also pointing to a future moment (the print that will be made from it), alongside other future moments of presentation and viewing. Similarly, the line drawings can be seen as recording the time and activity that went into their making.

 

By presenting a negative print as the work itself, that which is seen as purely contingent process, an incomplete entity, is foregrounded, taking the viewer back to moments of darkness within the chamber of the camera body, allowing the unseen to be revealed, the (now) white lines on black being visually reminiscent of an X-ray or scan.

 

The idea of the mould and cast relates. In the drawings the generating event of their making (again, a slippery, durational situation to encompass) is now displaced by a recording that can be reproduced multiple times through printing, like any photograph, and akin to multiple casts from a mould. However, unusually, the choice of the presentation of the negative form as the final work heightens the absence of the missing drawing and situates the work in a more ambiguous position, somewhere along the way in an unfolding process. The photographer William Henry Fox Talbot coined the term the ‘pencil of nature’, the title of his 1844 book, in relation to the tracing of light in time onto light-sensitive material, in some ways a parallel to the drawing process. Once the drawings are photographed and presented as a negative rendition, a discursive space opens, encouraging engagement through imagination: what was the ‘original’ drawing like? Where is it now? What was or is there in front of us? A sense of investigation and uncertainty on the part of the viewer begins and a shift in value occurs, removing focus from the ‘thing’ of the drawing, to its imaged and inverted form. An incompleteness enters the room, displacing more familiar hierarchies.

 

BG

Yes, I remember being struck by a tension between my perception of time spent, which was implicit in the nature of the drawing, and the instancy of the photographic exposure which, in material terms, constituted the thing I was experiencing in the gallery. The one thing seems to collapse into the other in this ‘unfolding process’ which I think charges the work with a certain frisson.

 

Conversely, the layering of process detaches these images somewhat from their origination, rendering them ambiguous, almost as if you are willing (or allowing) the true nature of their production to become lost, concealed or obscured by technical interventions. As you mention, they allude to some form of scientific imaging such as x-ray, radar or scanning. Visually, they resemble possible mappings (or recordings), of topography, depth, pressure, geological strata, ultrasound or some temporal phenomena; is it even necessary that one is aware that they are in fact drawings?

 

Is our understanding of them actually contingent on recognising this aspect of their production? You talk about “removing focus from the ‘thing’ of the drawing”, and I wonder if these objects stand alone as detached entities that do not need to be foregrounded or defined by the physical and material properties of the drawing process? Or if you see them as inextricably bound to the act of drawing and therefore should be understood within the specific context of this tradition? Perhaps they operate more effectively as elusive forms?

 

AM

I agree that these works possess an immediate presence of their own, pulling the viewer into an elusive space, transforming the photographed subject radically through the negative inversion, becoming something new and separate. However, in some way they remain bound not just to a drawing, but to the mysteries of the photographic and a supposed representation of our existence in a three-dimensional world, encompassed by the passage of time. A viewer doesn’t need to engage with these aspects, and admittedly the drawing itself has been ‘cast aside’, but I suspect that any form of extended looking and consideration will inevitably precipitate some form of unravelling. When there is a shift between an initial, visual encounter to an understanding of, for example, the time taken to draw a line or a series of lines, the commitment to, or compression of time contained in the work becomes visible to the viewer, allowing them to see beyond something that is apparently ‘imaged’ all at once. Grasping this is in itself an experience, adding to an initial fascination, although it doesn’t ‘explain’ the work. There is no simple answer to the complex equations an artist enters into through the unique conjunction of materials, process and subject (all of which have varied technical and cultural histories coming into play), along with individual experience and preoccupations in a particular time and place. Your question directly foregrounds the complexity of our encounters with objects and images as part of a physical, perceptual and psychological engagement with the world. Is anything really just visual?

 

The photographic work I made leading up to these pieces used the camera for non-visual purposes, often as an extension of the body or in place of the senses. The results were photographic images, seductive in appearance in terms of vibrant colour or spatial depth. Seemingly ‘abstract’, they raised a question: how should they be read or engaged with? Again, there is an element of substitution, one experience exchanged for another, the visual object replacing the generative activity, questioning how we untangle our encounter with an image/object from a range of possible interpretation and meaning.

 

In your question you allude to my ‘willing (or allowing) the true nature of their production to become lost, concealed or obscured by technical interventions’. While there is a history in my work of the hidden, the secret and the obscured, the accompanying titles and information give the viewer clues, suggesting pathways towards a further understanding of the work. However, around 2010 I began to feel that the distance created in the layering of these interventions was starting to be too great, recognising that through the evolution of the work, I was discovering a related intensity in the actual, drawn surface and the presence of the drawn object itself. The transition from analogue to digital photography and the rapid erosion of a range of photographic materials and processes in the early 2000s had actually led to these works, but by now the landscape of the photographic image was so radically transformed that this series of work gradually gave way, and my focus shifted towards the generative object.

 

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